| ID |
Instrument |
Maker |
Model |
Serial# |
Manuf. Date |
Key/Pitch |
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| 11499 |
Trumpet |
Cleveland |
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5353 |
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| 10713 |
Cornet |
Cleveland |
601 |
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| 8611 |
Trumpet |
Cleveland |
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C-27736 |
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| 8610 |
Trumpet |
Cleveland |
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117483 |
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| 7546 |
Trumpet |
Cleveland |
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5865 |
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| Engraved: The Cleveland Made By The Cleveland Musical Instrument Co Cleveland
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| 7498 |
Trumpet |
Cleveland |
1936-7 |
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C/Bb/A |
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| 7242 |
Mellophone |
Cleveland |
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Eb/F |
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| Bell: 10 1/2in
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| 5945 |
Cornet |
Cleveland |
Superior |
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| 5557 |
Trumpet |
Cleveland |
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C28007 |
1920-5 |
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| 4838 |
Trumpet |
Cleveland |
Toreador |
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| 4541 |
Trombone |
Cleveland |
605 |
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| 4245 |
Cornet |
Cleveland |
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| 4193 |
Trombone |
Cleveland |
605 |
684732 |
1975-81 |
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| 4168 |
Trumpet |
Cleveland |
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| 3366 |
Mellophone |
Cleveland |
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C-32-465 |
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| 3106 |
Trombone; Valve |
Cleveland |
Conservatory Standard |
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| Engraved: Conservatory Standard Goodhart System Made By Cleveland Musical Instrument Company
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| 2987 |
Cornet |
Cleveland |
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C35191 |
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|
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| 2840 |
Tuba |
Cleveland |
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415722 |
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| 2801 |
Alto Horn |
Cleveland |
American |
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| 2313 |
Euphonium |
Cleveland |
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122667 |
1960s |
Bb |
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| LENGTH: 27.5in
BORE: .570
BELL: 11in
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| 1219 |
Trumpet |
Cleveland |
Greyhound |
C33407 |
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| tooslick: I had sold a Cleveland trumpet and received an email a short time later from a gentleman claiming to be the grandson of the original owner of the Cleveland Musical Instrument Company. He told me that the horn I sold was made by his grandfathers company prior to its being bought out in 1925. He also stated that the original company used the letter c in front of the serial numbers. He said if the engraving reads Made By Cleveland Musical Instr. Co. with no mention of H.N. White it was made prior to 1925. I have no way to verify what the gentleman wrote(or even if he was who he claimed to be) but I thought I would pass his info along.
The H.N. White 1935 catalog shows the same horn with slightly different bell engraving. I guess the bottom line is that I am not really sure when this horn was made!
hornman64: Going back to reply #2 or tooslick on Cleveland Mus. Inst Cos serials as opposed to after the HN White purchase in 25, OldLou and I have been puzzled over the alleged "c" supposed to be on the CMICs horns. We both have American Standard Cornets, his being a bit older than mine. It looks like there is only the HN White serial list extant. Mine still has the Cleveland Musical Instruments co as maker on the bell medallion despite apparently being made after 1930 and before 1935 (ser. 14xxx) long after the sale. This would not coincide with the opinion of the person passing along info to tooslick. I see in the Cleveland Cornet section, a reverse S curve marked c-35191 which is the same design as my pre- WWI Bohemia Concertone cornet and also the trumpet in reply #7.
So, I would conclude White continued to use the CMIC Medallions for quite some years before putting the HN White name in the same spot.
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| 982 |
Mellophone |
Cleveland |
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C-38459 |
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|
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| 921 |
Sousaphone |
Cleveland |
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226748 |
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BBb |
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| 475 |
Baritone |
Cleveland |
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C-43215 |
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| 419 |
Trombone |
Cleveland |
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C32174 |
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| 349 |
Mellophone |
Cleveland |
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C-28111 |
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| Horn made by Cleveland Musical Instruments Co., Cleveland, O. This company was in business from only 1919-1925 when it was bought out by H. N. White. Bell approx. 10 1/4 inches.
My grandfather, H. N. White, continued to manufacture the Cleveland line, as you say, but did not continue the old company name. Cleveland horns had the H. N. White Co. name, and later "made by King Craftsmen". So your horn dates to the early period when the company was independent, before 1925. Sincerely, Tony White
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| 156 |
Trumpet |
Cleveland |
|
114777 |
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| Kenton: 1925 Cleveland Instrument Company Silver Trumpet
This was made before HN White / King Instruments completed take over of this small company. No White or King markings anywhere on the instrument, but it does have a serial number in the King range (not Cleveland). This information is available at hnwhite.com"
And, presented a copy of the following ad:
www.horn-u-copia.net/instruments/White/Cleveland-1925-ad.gif
The horn in the ad does seem to match this instrument. But I have a couple of questions.
The image on hnwhite.com labels this image as 1935. Now that could simply mean that they continued this design for at least 10 years.
Hnwhite.com also states that White made horns for Cleveland for a couple of years to help out with backlog before buying them out in 1925. So, it could be that this was one of those early horns. But, here is the problem. The King serial number chart has 1925-1930 - serial numbers 78001-126000. It also has the Cleveland serial numbers as starting at 1 in 1925. (Cleveland did not get to 114xxx until the 60s) So, exactly where does this horn fit in?
keeferman: I am glad that someone posted this picture of a Cleveland trumpet.
It confirms something that I have suspected for a long time.
The now famous valve section still used on every current trumpet made by Conn Selmer (King, Conn and even 90 series Benge specifically), as well as UMI before them, as well as every King 600 ever built, was actually a design of the Cleveland Co. before H N White bought them out.
What I am specifically speaking to is the manner in which the first valve slide is set up on the valve casing.
When viewed from the players perspective, the top of the slide comes directly out of the center of the casing, and then returns at the bottom of the casing in the more usual offset style.
The King company seemed reluctant to use this set up on their instruments, and as far as I can determine, the first King trumpet to use it was the Super 20, but only on the trumpets, not the cornets.
If anyone knows what advantage there is to this particular feature, I would like to know what it is.
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