| ID |
Instrument |
Maker |
Model |
Serial# |
Manuf. Date |
Key/Pitch |
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| 11665 |
Cornet |
Couturier |
Shortpipe |
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Designed using Manual Disk Key Change patent (1436085) and Short mouthpipe/smaller valve bore patent (1438363)
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| 11594 |
Mellophone |
Couturier |
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| Lyon-Healy | Maker | Chicago | USA | Couturier | PAT | continuous conical bore
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| 11384 |
Cornet |
Couturier |
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1019 |
1918 |
Bb/A |
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| Bell reads, "Conical Bore / Patented / E A Couturier Co., Ltd / Sole Makers / New York". He incorporated in NY in late 1916 and likely started with #1000 so this was probably made in 1917 or early 1918 before they were marked with "Elkhart".
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| 11364 |
Helicon |
Couturier |
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BBb |
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| 11079 |
Cornet |
Couturier |
Couturier System |
105 |
1928-9 |
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Couturier System|E A Couturier|Mount Vernon|New York
After Couturiers company went into receivership he eventually settled in Mount Vernon, N.Y. and authored at least one further patent
#1729568,
which was for a stepped bore increase through the valve block. This horn, is marked Pat. Pend.
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| 10994 |
Cornet |
Couturier |
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Eb |
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| LaPorte
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| 10977 |
Fluglehorn |
Couturier |
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2653 |
1918 |
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| 10832 |
Trumpet |
Couturier |
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| Built with 2 of his last patents in the last year of operation: 1436085, a disk valve for the Bb/A change (rather than a rotor)
and, a shorter mouthpipe for a smaller valve valve bore so that the valve tubing would have less impact on the overall valve profile.
Note the blind tubing for the right hand to grip while working the valves...
KimC: It is a nice instrument. But it may hide some challenges for the player.
First, the valve loops with their Sattler shape cannot be removed. That makes cleaning of the valve loops much more difficult.
You may say that cleaning valve loops can not be that big issue, how often do we need to do that on our horns?
In this particular instrument, it will be an issue.
An instrument with Perinet valves has the water key before the valve section, along with some tubing, so that water in the valve section can be avoided. Perinet valves have a rather large surface, that is why they need valve oil. Oil mixed with water will not merge and actually "takes up double space", further by the time it becomes some sticky stuff that makes the valves move uneasily. That is why the makers place the water keys before the valve section in Periet instruments - wherever this is possible.
This is not the case here, that combined with the irremovable valve loops will give some issues.
The use of a disc valve for a change of tuning is fun, as this valve need no fast response it has been possible to place the loops directly on the rotor. This makes the rotor heavier, but that is not an issue with a valve that is only for a key change.
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| 10523 |
Trombone |
Couturier |
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| E.A. Couturier Co, Ltd Not Conical Bore trombone (presumably 1918 - Jun 25, 1919)
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| 9918 |
Cornet |
Couturier |
Salvation Army |
40788 |
1918 |
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| Made for | Salvation Army | by | E.A. Courutier | Elkhart | Ind
Valves serial number is in range only for York Couturier Wizard cornets (c.1914) and has York patent and bore size embossing on lower 2nd valve (same as York Couturier Wizard cornets).
Salvation Army horns show characteristics of both York and Couturier horns, so seems reasonable that Couturier took unfinished work-in-process with him when he formed his own company and the split was amicable.
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| 9149 |
Trumpet |
Couturier |
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13887 |
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| Lyon & Healy | Makers | Chicago | USA | Couturier | Continuous Conical Bore
Patent D52473
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| 9075 |
Cornet |
Couturier |
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3571 |
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| LaPorte
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| 8423 |
Mellophone |
Couturier |
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6272 |
1921-2 |
|
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| E.A. Couturier Conical Bore,Pat.La Porte IND
23-13
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| 8215 |
Tuba |
Couturier |
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Eb |
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| Height: 36in
Bell: 20-3/4 in
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| 7938 |
Tenor Horn |
Couturier |
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6577 |
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| Engraved: Conical Bore, Patd, E.A.Couturier Co., LaPorte, Ind.
Height:28.5in
Bell 11in
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| 7080 |
Alto Horn |
Couturier |
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|
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| Height: 22.5in
Bell: 8in
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| 6904 |
Trumpet |
Couturier |
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M9142 |
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| 6651 |
Trombone |
Couturier |
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2383 |
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| Engraved: Conical Bore / Patented / E.A. Couturier Co. / -Ltd.- / La Porte / Ind
Bell: 8in
Image used courtesy of Jeff Stockham
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| 5888 |
Cornet |
Couturier |
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1365 |
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| Patent date 1913
Made in Elkhart
Couturier Continuous Conical Bore characteristics:
angular Bb/A rotary valve exit tubing, circular rotary valve change dial, in-line water keys, Couturier/Elkhart engraved bell
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| 5781 |
French Horn |
Couturier |
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5963 |
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| Engrqved: Conical Bore, Patd, E. A. Couturier Co., LaPorte, IND
Bell: 12in
Hornworks: ater version with removable valve slides, but it also fingers with the right hand. The valve slides are extremely small bore because the valves are very early in the taper. You could order it either left handed or right handed and it also came with an Eb crook and 2 sets of slides for F or Eb.
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| 5780 |
Trombone; Valve |
Couturier |
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2710 |
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| 4654 |
French Horn |
Couturier |
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| Earlier version conical version French horn
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| 4171 |
Cornet |
Couturier |
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| OLDLOU: I have in my posession two Couturier instruments. Both of these look like trumpets, but, one was made with a cornet size receiver and leadpipe, while the other uses a common trumpet mouthpiece. In most other ways they are the same, both lacquered over gold plate, and the trumpet version has a bit less hand engraving than the cornet version, which has full circle engraving on the bell.
I play the trumpet version regularly in a community concert band. It is spectacular.
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| 3846 |
Trumpet |
Couturier |
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8458 |
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| Conical Bore |
Patd |
E A Couturier Co |
LaPorte, |Ind
On valve casing : M | 8458
Three main tuning slides
It has three main tuning slides. One seems to be Bb/A with the rotor, one is A/Ab, and one is in between.
It takes a standard trumpet mouthpiece, but I wonder whether the original mouthpiece may have been a short model?
As to the Patent (and this is why it appears to have been relacquered)
www.horn-u-copia.net/Docs/couturier-patent.jpg
It appears to have the two lines of patent information that OLDLOU mentioned, but iit also appears to have a . . . pending line in between.
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| 3324 |
Tuba |
Couturier |
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|
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| 3175 |
Baritone |
Couturier |
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|
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| 26 in tall 11 inch bell. Engraved: EA Couturier , Laport Ind, and Patd.
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| 2708 |
Cornet |
Couturier |
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1808 |
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Bb/A |
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| The company moved from New York to La Porte Indiana in 1918.
a cornet, not a trumpet. The Couturier Wizard WAS made by York for a period prior to Couturier picking a fight with the management of the York Co..Couturier did go to New York and set up his business. The first plant was established in Elkhart, In. they soon moved to La Porte, In. and operated until they went into either receivership or bankruptcy in about 1923, when The Lyon and Healy Co. of Chicago bought the patent rights and started production of the Conical Bore,Laporte cornets in their own plant in Chicago, Il..
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| 2465 |
Trombone |
Couturier |
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6064 |
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|
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| Engraved: Couturier Conical Bore Trombone, La Porte, Indiana
Pat 7 1921 6064M
6 7/8 in bell
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| 1520 |
Trombone |
Couturier |
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| Engraved: E.A. Courturier | LaPorte, Indiana
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| 1423 |
Mellophone |
Couturier |
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Engraved: PATD E A COUTURIER CO LAPORTE IND
Image used courtesy of Phils Rugs n Relics
http://www.rugs-n-relics.com/brass.html
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