CDFhorn has added a number of mouthpieces to the Database.
https://www.horn-u-copia.net/mouthpieces/index.php
Additionally, I have modified the display so the user can select either the maker, the instrument, or both.
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As recommended, many of the new pieces were scanned by Vennture and can be seen at https://trumpet.cloud/mpc - both tracings and even info pages in some cases, plus a new-and-improved spec sheet section with detailed measurements from VennCAD
Another example of the Bach mouthpiece nomenclature being reassigned to different models...
Some Bach models, like the 6-1/2A or 6SC, only existed during the New York period. Others, like 10-3/4CW, are still in catalog, <a href="https://trumpet.cloud/mpc/?mpc1=BACH-10.75CW-MEGA&mpc2=BACH-CORP.-NY-10.75CW&mpc3=BACH-11.5C-CORP-CORNET">but the design of this example is much closer to the 11-1/2C than it is the modern 10-3/4CW</a>. This older version has a "squared-off" rim, flat, medium width.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19dB0FsYBI4KaN1Z2zB1YhQ0uM31ZPmYT/view?usp=drive_link - comparison
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZgRIpSUdkGNwVgo8val7mV26DKi1ihU0/view?usp=drive_link - another example
Also during the New York period, there were the models 17C1 and 17C2, supposedly based on the Rudy Muck 17C, and played by Clifford Brown. I've seen these model numbers stamped on pieces made into the 1960s, such as the first Elkhart pieces, and the 17C1s and 17C2s from then look the same as older versions. However, there was an increasing amount of Mt Vernon 17C1 and 17C2 pieces made that were stamped 10-3/4CW and 10-3/4EW instead, respectively. It's not clear why, but the 10-3/4 designation was repurposed, and the round-rim versions based on the 17C1 and 17C2 remain in production today. What happened to the older 10-3/4CW? Not sure, but it's similar to other models in that neighborhood.
Some Bach models, like the 6-1/2A or 6SC, only existed during the New York period. Others, like 10-3/4CW, are still in catalog, <a href="https://trumpet.cloud/mpc/?mpc1=BACH-10.75CW-MEGA&mpc2=BACH-CORP.-NY-10.75CW&mpc3=BACH-11.5C-CORP-CORNET">but the design of this example is much closer to the 11-1/2C than it is the modern 10-3/4CW</a>. This older version has a "squared-off" rim, flat, medium width.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19dB0FsYBI4KaN1Z2zB1YhQ0uM31ZPmYT/view?usp=drive_link - comparison
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZgRIpSUdkGNwVgo8val7mV26DKi1ihU0/view?usp=drive_link - another example
Also during the New York period, there were the models 17C1 and 17C2, supposedly based on the Rudy Muck 17C, and played by Clifford Brown. I've seen these model numbers stamped on pieces made into the 1960s, such as the first Elkhart pieces, and the 17C1s and 17C2s from then look the same as older versions. However, there was an increasing amount of Mt Vernon 17C1 and 17C2 pieces made that were stamped 10-3/4CW and 10-3/4EW instead, respectively. It's not clear why, but the 10-3/4 designation was repurposed, and the round-rim versions based on the 17C1 and 17C2 remain in production today. What happened to the older 10-3/4CW? Not sure, but it's similar to other models in that neighborhood.
"Mozart" skeletonized blank mouthpiece, medium depth - this is a stencil of "Schmidt's Maxim", originally from Schmidt Markneukirchen - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NlA6r0zTGegUe-8Ph9z7onsnFT-ORSZD/view?usp=drive_link
Some new features at https://trumpet.cloud/mpc/ -
Now it's more like Brass.cloud, since they've decided to expand to include the entire range of brass mouthpieces!
They have alto/tenor horn, mellophone, French horn, trombone, and tuba mouthpieces now [the ones from VennCAD, pending future submissions]. The drop-down in the upper-left-hand corner [likely says "Full Mode" - next to CVD Mode] lets you choose the general family of instruments, based on your instrument area [Bass, Bone, Horn, etc].
Metrics/specs are available in a table page, versus just PDF & Excel - https://trumpet.cloud/mpc/specs/sheet/ - so now you can see diameters, depths, shank sizes, etc online.
You can also set up a semi-custom graph comparing two data items [default is set to compare Cup Diameter to Cup Volume, but you can choose two metrics, then highlight three individual mouthpieces].
I'm not a site sponsor - just a contributor - but these updates make the site much more useful to brasswind players in general!
Now it's more like Brass.cloud, since they've decided to expand to include the entire range of brass mouthpieces!
They have alto/tenor horn, mellophone, French horn, trombone, and tuba mouthpieces now [the ones from VennCAD, pending future submissions]. The drop-down in the upper-left-hand corner [likely says "Full Mode" - next to CVD Mode] lets you choose the general family of instruments, based on your instrument area [Bass, Bone, Horn, etc].
Metrics/specs are available in a table page, versus just PDF & Excel - https://trumpet.cloud/mpc/specs/sheet/ - so now you can see diameters, depths, shank sizes, etc online.
You can also set up a semi-custom graph comparing two data items [default is set to compare Cup Diameter to Cup Volume, but you can choose two metrics, then highlight three individual mouthpieces].
I'm not a site sponsor - just a contributor - but these updates make the site much more useful to brasswind players in general!
https://trumpet.cloud/mpc/specs/ - graph and info-cards
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bmAWctoTJciombHiHTEzlsHosUrJ0Nua/view?usp=drive_link - spec sheet for the E-Z Tone Alto/Tenor Horn mouthpiece -
- note the bulbous, bead-type collar is similar to Schilke*
Benge "eye logo"/"Benge Bug" appeared on the 2nd valve casing of trumpets 592 through 1075, as is known so far [serial 587 was one of the last to have "ELDEN / BENGE" stamped on the 2nd valve casing].
These would be earlier production models [late 1930s-early 1940s], as Benge started serialization around 500, with 932 from 1941 and 954 ca. 1942.
Hard to say if this mouthpiece design was ever intended to be the "main" series, but I almost never see these for sale, versus the "Benge / CHICAGO" models rarely, but periodically.
* see https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iSAzgCCDuxw54S9TIHxDHCJxGcY_K-z9/view?usp=drive_link for reference, since Schilke did make various custom pieces with the bulb collar and more Bach-esque exterior features
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EgaJFYoocJwcv0FyeU1sN_x9OHDVe65o/view?usp=drive_link - stamping is ••••BENGE CUSTOM L.A. CAL••••
This trumpet mouthpiece is similar to the older "Benge / CHICAGO" pieces, but slightly more tool marks visible this time; this was from the collection of busy studio musician Jon Lewis, brokered by Miles McAllister due to his schedule.
More comparison images at https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1iXuJwjZXB24XSB7wBH6pjO0MADdrphr7
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CDFhorn 21 hours ago
Additional note on the Benge Custom LA - Jon Lewis apparently plays a Benge C trumpet, and at the time I made a note to see if it was a pre-1975ish model that *might* have included this mouthpiece as default
Benge "eye logo"/"Benge Bug" appeared on the 2nd valve casing of trumpets 592 through 1075, as is known so far [serial 587 was one of the last to have "ELDEN / BENGE" stamped on the 2nd valve casing].
These would be earlier production models [late 1930s-early 1940s], as Benge started serialization around 500, with 932 from 1941 and 954 ca. 1942.
Hard to say if this mouthpiece design was ever intended to be the "main" series, but I almost never see these for sale, versus the "Benge / CHICAGO" models rarely, but periodically.
* see https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iSAzgCCDuxw54S9TIHxDHCJxGcY_K-z9/view?usp=drive_link for reference, since Schilke did make various custom pieces with the bulb collar and more Bach-esque exterior features
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EgaJFYoocJwcv0FyeU1sN_x9OHDVe65o/view?usp=drive_link - stamping is ••••BENGE CUSTOM L.A. CAL••••
This trumpet mouthpiece is similar to the older "Benge / CHICAGO" pieces, but slightly more tool marks visible this time; this was from the collection of busy studio musician Jon Lewis, brokered by Miles McAllister due to his schedule.
More comparison images at https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1iXuJwjZXB24XSB7wBH6pjO0MADdrphr7
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CDFhorn 21 hours ago
Additional note on the Benge Custom LA - Jon Lewis apparently plays a Benge C trumpet, and at the time I made a note to see if it was a pre-1975ish model that *might* have included this mouthpiece as default