Gretsch Commander LARPing as King Liberty
Aug 26th, 2023
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11JSXU9BnQSvs4cWCMHJa64ZjSbUqE8mu
Serial 12387 - and man does it have quirks. The bell is either rimless with a thicker end, or folded over, but the edge is sharp either way. The mouthpiece receiver was not made correctly, so it only takes Large Morse flugelhorn shank mouthpieces - trumpet pieces don't fit.
The main X brace on the Esbach B-flat/A slide is a poor imitation of the Liberty, but the leadpipe/bell braces are very similar to the Liberty main brace...!
The valve pistons, sporting 3-point guides like King used for a bit, are so worn they move quickly even without oil...so unless you use heavy oil, it sounds awful.
But with a customized-shank mouthpiece and Hetman #3, it rings nicely!
It's definitely a Pedler product, in this case similar to the Orpheum Supreme made by ART.
Books
Horns of Uncertain Pedigree Topics
Instruments that don't fit neatly in the HUC Database Posts
All Star Huttl stencil cornet
Serial hard to read [95916? or similar] but is just another run-of-the-mill Huttl student cornet...except the very Conn-inspired Shooting Stars bell...! https://reverb.com/item/27413164-all-star-cornet-w-hard-case
Serial hard to read [95916? or similar] but is just another run-of-the-mill Huttl student cornet...except the very Conn-inspired Shooting Stars bell...! https://reverb.com/item/27413164-all-star-cornet-w-hard-case
DEG Classic 800 Series model 890 [?] pocket trumpet or cornet - KHS stencil, 1980s
These 800-Series [maybe 890?*] were relatively standard stencils of what became the Jupiter SPT-416, made by KHS in Taiwan from around 1982 to the 1990s, when they became the "Schafer Wisconsin 890" pocket trumpet.
https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=758094&sid=7d5c89c9d431d77894f498d29993d93c
as well
Unfortunately it's not clear what receiver it has, since the listing claims it's both a trumpet and cornet at different points, but everything else looks like a regular Jupiter.
These 800-Series [maybe 890?*] were relatively standard stencils of what became the Jupiter SPT-416, made by KHS in Taiwan from around 1982 to the 1990s, when they became the "Schafer Wisconsin 890" pocket trumpet.
https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=758094&sid=7d5c89c9d431d77894f498d29993d93c
as well
Unfortunately it's not clear what receiver it has, since the listing claims it's both a trumpet and cornet at different points, but everything else looks like a regular Jupiter.
Martin-Busine trumpet [because Martin-Busine is in the database]
Made by KHS, mid-late 1970s [and yes, they were trying hard for the Conn 15B Director look] - later became the Jupiter STR-100
- definitely not Schenkelaars
Made by KHS, mid-late 1970s [and yes, they were trying hard for the Conn 15B Director look] - later became the Jupiter STR-100
- definitely not Schenkelaars
Re: Martin-Busine trumpet [because Martin-Busine is in the database] For contrast,
https://reverb.com/item/81213941-vintage-martin-busine-schenkelaar-lb-bb-trumpet a Schenkelaars stencil, and the cornet in the HUC Database looks like a Blessing stencil
https://reverb.com/item/81213941-vintage-martin-busine-schenkelaar-lb-bb-trumpet a Schenkelaars stencil, and the cornet in the HUC Database looks like a Blessing stencil